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Crimson Seed [15]

You are all over reacting about the Crimson Seed nerf. 

First. The artifact is only useful on A.Ravi. And you can say what ever you want like "I use it on Alencia" or whatever. A.Ravi is the only character that can make great use of Seed. The rest of the characters have way better artifacts to use.


Second. The majority of A.Ravi counters doesn't use debuffs like Straze Seline or even LQC. And when debuffs are use you don't usually rely on only 1 debuff so that means that A.Ravi usually gets hit by so many debuffs that even Seed doesn't make any difference.


Third. Half of A.Ravi users put POV on her. Which is better and more broken than seed.


And fourth . This is a small but nice indirect buff to debuffers which is really nice since there are so many characters that completely negates debuffs like Czerato, Edward, Maverik, Destina or delibet.

"But those characters are one trick heroes. Once they use their skills they are useless" Well, everyone is a one trick hero, like Ran, Aola, Peira (kind of) Lua...


Stop crying and get over it. You really don't know to do anything but cry over and over again.

This is not a huge meta changing and terrible nerf like what they did to Hwayoung.

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    2023.01.21 14:38 (UTC+0)

    The problem is, people don't debuff her because of those two arti. which lead into ppl using oneshot comp, this lead into Aravi users using POV.


    now when you nerf these two aravi wont have protection against debuffer like Lua and others.


    prob what make people mad is they feel that SG just basically kill their toys.

    for people that had many heroes it is not a big deal, esp if you have the handman.




    but for some people esp the ones with few ML heroes, and pick Aravi from previous event, it stings alot.




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    2023.01.21 15:18 (UTC+0)

    It is not an over reaction. The new Crimson seed is entirely different artifact with completely different utility. 

    Originaly it was meant to be a reactionary artifact that gives you some protection during enemy turn.

    Now its all just dumb "hit things, maybe you cleanse".

    Thats a massive downgrade, especially since it requries your hero to hit things instead of being hit. 


    Not only is it a downgrade, there were few heroes who used it to begin with. Namely ARavi who was the most prevalent.

    And at this point that hero has multiple counters of different styles (you can OS, you can heavy debuff her even with Crimson, you Injury her), that removing Crimson Seed (coz thats what this is basically), is not only uncalled for, but also stupid. 


    There is myriad of balance issues in the game. Crimson Seed was not one of them.


    If this goes through, the only thing left will be Proof of Valor ARavi, and I dunno about you, but that one is much more annoying to deal with.

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    2023.01.21 17:00 (UTC+0)

    I totally agree with the OP. I play mid champion (2600) in RTA and anyone who is serious about RTA knows that right now, debuff dps is kind of a joke. Why? For the reason op mentioned. Debuff dps are countered by ER, Cleanse, immunity buff and immunity set, and by super hard counters like C. Zerato, AOLA, Edward, etc. Artifacts like these are low hanging fruit if you want to buff debuff dps. Notice how these artifacts now allow debuff dps to get 1 turn of damage off from their DOT effects. A Ravi has indeed fallen out of the meta (but still good) but it has nothing to do with debuff dps. Instead 3 new meta heroes have ended her reign (S. Adin, SC Arowell, Briseria). As a player who’d love to play DOT play style more frequently I welcome this change. Also it’s not true that A Ravi is the only hero that uses these artis but def the best.

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    2023.01.21 18:45 (UTC+0)

    czerato dont completly denied debbufs an inmiunity or non debbufs and he just become uselles.


    and no before they use his skils those heroes you talk about, ran peira, lua, aola dont become useless in absolutly.


    is like say nah zio just s3 and become useles forgeting his 20k per s1 damage, and maverick dont become useles without s3 instead dilibet who without s3 or against debuffs just stand there doing nothing and apart from that she dont cleans bombs a antidebuffer otp cant completly do her only job.


    and you are right they they nerf was not like ken master, because hwan was used everywhere instead with those 2 no one use them because are soo limited and rng artifact and now is even worst because dont even work like decoration.

    just seems like you are like the balance team completly, out from the game by each point you talk about, whats next? lua, aola or ran need a buff?



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    2023.01.22 12:31 (UTC+0)

    Crimson seed will not be infertile in a few days

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    2023.01.22 18:03 (UTC+0)

    this dude really is over here shilling for control teams, defending cerato when he can't even counter solitaria LOOOL

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    2023.01.25 02:49 (UTC+0)

    You answered your own question


    First. The artifact is only useful on A.Ravi. And you can say what ever you want like "I use it on Alencia" or whatever. A. Ravi is the only character that can make great use of Seed. The rest of the characters have way better artifacts to use.



    You said it's only useful for A. Ravi, so by making it worse than who is left to use it?

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    2023.01.27 12:14 (UTC+0)

    Aravi's the root of the problem, not seed. We know this. Aravi brought forth the era of hwayoung and so many changes to the game relating to it. Seed nerf's unnecessary and won't accomplish anything. The effort SG has put into trying to avoid nerfing aravi, the root of many of e7's problems, is just ridiculous. How can anyone take them seriously as devs when theyre still looking for ways to indirectly bring aravi down after so much time has passed since that overbuff? SG has proven it was a mistake with displays like "next we nerf crimson seed.." So much of what followed aravi's buff has been an admission of fault and it's about time they just do the right thing and nerf her regardless of her position in today's meta. No matter how you look at it her kit does too much and she isn't balanced. Unlike crimson seed.

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