Revision of Hwayoung

Let's compare her with 2 single target damage dealer, and one poster child of op:


	W.Schuri	Hwayoung	Rimururu	Angelic Angelica
Needs aggro stat to work?	Yes	Most	Some	No
Can you set up against it?	Yes (Invincibility, skill nullifier etc)	Yes (Invincibility, skill nullifier etc)	Hard (Buff copy)	No (No setup works against her)
Hard to kill?	No	Tankier than usual	Yes (Limits enemy action/comp greatly)	Yes
Buffing/Debuffing/Utility?	Little	Little	Some	Huge
Speed?	Normal~Fast	Mostly Normal~Fast	Normal~Fast, with passive CR push	Mostly very fast, with passive CR push
Build is predictable?	Yes	Mostly	Mostly	No
Damage	Extremely High	Extremely High	Extremely High	Little
Good against all comps?	No	Partly	Mostly	Mostly
Affects Evasion?	Little	Yes	Partly	Yes
Worst Result?	Lose 1 hero	Lose 1 hero, following S1 damage	Lose 1 hero, buffs and debuffs	4 heroes disabled



				Normal
				Slightly advantaged
				Advantaged
				Very advantaged

Conclusion: Hwayoung is better than W.Schuri, but not even close to Rimururu level.

Q: Is Angelic Angelica comparable to the other three?

A: Of course, comparing only one dimension is not meaningful.

But if we compared a lot of aspects and find out our girl is superior in almost every way, we know thing's not right.

Q: Does Hwayoung one shot everything?

A: No. A lot of times, her S3 leaves tanky targets* with 10%~20% health.

* 25~30k hp non-earth hero, or 20k hp non-earth hero with damage sharing or mitigation.

Q: So who are worse?

A: Let me put it this way (Nerf priority):

Must be nerfed:

Angelic Angelica, Rimururu, C.Lilias

Should be nerfed:

Belian, A.Ravi, Ran/Peira + S.Iseria/Eda comp

May be nerfed:

Hwayoung, SC Carrot, Rem/A.Mercedes (Questionable counter rng), A.Ravi + Ruele in RTA

Reply 13

Compare her to Dark Corvus, the original one shot.

Hwayoung +

- 6 turns shorter cooldown

- Better Survival

- Self Cleanse

- Self CR Push

- Much Faster

- Less Stat requirement

- No Soulburn required

- No setup required

Dark Corvus +

- Element Neutral

We already know this unit is broken beyond any balance change other than a nerf

Mostly agreed except for "Better Survival" and "Less Stat requirement".

But as the last Q&A suggested, I believe there are some heroes with higher nerf priority than Hwayoung.

Typical TC and his terrible hot takes which go against established data from actual high level play. This is how we know you understand absolutely nothing about the game and have poor analytical ability.

Personally i think hwayoung is fine, her mechanic is interesting.

But the problem is several things.

1, if she use uberius tooth it just mean she kill anybody even with s1 since she do 8k-10k per hit or even more.

2, her s3 can pop twice, ( this show how low her cooldown is, and her s1 just speed up her s3 to do it again)

3. She also do that extra damage which proc the uberius too through the dual attack which in 100% synergy with c lilias.

Several ways to kinda make her not that OP is 1 of 2 things.

1, her s3 need to be increased by 1 turn.

2, her s1 should only proc when on her own turn.

If not then she will be viable as the most damaging single attacker in entire epic seven, unless they release another 6k+ atk which can crit

Seriously, I think devs could add "Cannot equip Uberius Tooth" to her S2.

I always root for this "Price/Drawback" kind of nerf.

Hwayoung should nerf her barrier or lower cdmg reduction to 15%.

She shouldn't be this tanky with her dmg, utility and low S3 CD she has.

imo the issue about her tankiness is, you cannot wear her down, because her Shield always refreshes.

She gets killed by cleave or single target nuke as easy as other heroes.

Honestly I think this is a problem:
"Q: Does Hwayoung one shot everything?

A: No. A lot of times, her S3 leaves tanky targets* with 10%~20% health.

* 25~30k hp non-earth hero, or 20k hp non-earth hero with damage sharing or mitigation."

Looking at her S3 she has always come off to me as a units meant to oneshot high hp targets, yet the counterplay to her is to just stack more health. At the same time, low hp units still get oneshot by her, which feels completely backwards.

I think they should "buff" her by giving her a higher increase to S3 dmg vs high health targets, but nerf the base dmg so that she wouldn't be good at dealing with low hp units anymore, but wouldn't struggle with high hp ones.The S1 armour pen on the uberous like proc might also need a hp scalling so she doesn't clap squishy units as hard.

She also needs a higher Cd on her S3 imo, but that's a different conversation.

I get you.

Her S3 does kill non-takny heroes nearly 100% of the time.

For this issue, I once suggested changing her S3 effect to:

S3 cannot reduce the target below 50%~1% health.

(The limit decreases from 50% if the target has more max health than the caster, capped at 1%)

I mean they might aswell nerf her b/c im banning both Hwayoung & Rimuru via double pre ban everytime this season since players in Masters can do so now.

Why aren't you comparing cooldowns? Hwayoung has 1 turn shorter CD while also getting cr push with every S1, her soul burn is also extra turn which would reduce CD further.

I haven't faced a lot of full dmg slimes(crit builds), but the ones I've seen can't oneshot tanky units if they dont have buffs (S3 dmg scales with number of buffs), not saying he isn't busted(he is), just saying he has a harder time oneshotting units than the other two from what I've seen.

Not sure why Aol is here, serves no purpose other than to meme.