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Quick Review 


After properly trying Riolet with a variety of builds and watching other players use him with different setups and varying degrees of gear quality, I'm not sure he's worth all the investment he requires. 


Don't get me wrong, Riolet can be built into a threat with the right gear and max skills (yep, all 3 of them), be it as a high SPD burst dealer or more of a bruiser (speedy life leech or counter/immunity). He can actually offer some very strong RNG elements that can turn a fight strongly in your favor as long as lady luck wills it.


That said, that's only achievable if you can manage to give him a lot of external support (DMG mitigation, healing/reviving and CR manipulation). While that's not that unusual, most DPS share the same fate, what makes it that much more evident though is that with Riolet the gear requirement is at an all time high.


He seems to be in a mixed spot between A.Ravi and F.Lidica when they were first introduced: "strong enough for the proposed role BUT with similar, often easier to use, options already available and very high gear/mola requirement in order to work".


For the first part of the argument, even if awesome gear is available, it's hard to say Mirsa won't perform just as well with it. She might not be as bursty, but she relies less on RNG to actually work, has less counters (evasion can't be dispelled) and she can fit into comps more easily due to better self sustain and SPD scaling (+ self buff) allowing for life leech without sacrificing too much on DMG.


For the second part, unless extremely well geared, he'll just be ignored then focused down before he gets relevant at all. This means he's gotta be fast and strong enough so he can't be ignored due to his S1 dmg and self focus building, while making sure he won't die before he actually gets to use his selling mechanic (S2 casting S3).Whoever's tried him will most likely agree this is incredibly hard to do, if not simply unachievable for the majority of Riolet owners.


Imo, these are his main problems (notice that they are that much more evident with lower gear quality): 

  • Evasion buff doesn't help enough with survivability to compensate for the very high S3 CD and quite hard to acquire and unleash focus mechanic; 
  • He's easily ignored:
    • If he goes with SPD/burst gear, he'll get to burst a target reliably, but then he will hardly get the chance to make use of his unique S2 mechanic (the selling point of his kit) due to low self sustain and poor base defensive stats
    • Even if built more as a bruiser, the same points above (lack of self sustain and poor base defensive stats) will make it so he sacrifices on the DMG front considerably, making him even easier to ignore until later on when you can focus him down at once.


Suggestions


Personally, I'd love to see some very small tweaks to him, just so he's a more accessible unit in terms of gear requirement and functionality.

  • 1st suggestion:  Add a "while on Cool Down" effect to his S3, granting 15% life steal effect. That would already help a lot by increasing his self sustain. Not only would it make his long S3 CD seem more reasonable, but also "on CD mechanics" were first introduced by original Violet's S2, making it a solid way to improve his performance while keeping with the theme.
  • 2nd Suggestion: Make it so his S3 also gives him some focus (1~2 would be grand) and that he activates his S2 promptly, as soon as he gets the 5th focus needed, be it by using his skills or evading. That way he'd be a threat that couldn't simply be ignored given his ability to unleash his focus mechanic on his own, even if he's never hit at all throughout an encounter.


That's it. Like i said, he's solid enough already, no need to change anything drastically. Just a few tweaks so his kit gets slightly less gear hungry and that it works better within itself, solidifying his position as a competitive addition to the evasion DPS department (Mirsa, Celine, A.Cidd).


(TL;DR in bold)


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    OFFICIALAerin
    2020.07.01 00:11 (UTC+0)

    BESTHello Heir!


    We appreciate users expressing their ideas and suggestions. We will forward your suggestions to the developers. 

    We believe it is important for users to express the things they like and the things they don't like so the developers can mold the game to users' desires. These sound like very interesting ideas and I will be sure to forward them to the developers for their consideration.


    I wish you the best of luck in all your future adventures!


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    2020.07.01 01:55 (UTC+0)

    BESTYou're completely right. The sad thing is I think he's too weak to be useful in any competitive content but strong enough to be ignored by the balance team.

    I was lucky enough to pull him but I don't think hes worth the full investment at the moment. The main issue with him is that he gets ignored until focused and when focused, even if he dodges all attacks, hes squishy enough where he dies anyway never gaining the five focus. I would like to see his passive negate all damage from misses.

    Glad a community manager seen your post though. There's hope.

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    작성자 2020.06.30 22:02 (UTC+0)

    BEST@STOVE89851406 


    That's interesting. From your comment it almost seems like there's a consensus forming among players who have tried Riolet that he needs better self sustain and easier to use S2 mechanic, even though the suggestions on how to improve it vary a bit.


    Getting extra focus from S3 is just so he also has some potential for shorter fights, in case players would like to build him as a glass cannon instead of a bruiser. With the life steal and 2 focus from S3, he'd have a much better chance at surviving at most 3 extra turns to do S3 again the first time. I just wish his S2 wouldn't be potentially wasted quite so often tbh.


    Lets hope SmileGate hears us at some point then.

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    2020.06.30 21:50 (UTC+0)

    I like these suggestions. Some people and I have suggested your second suggestion as well. His s3 giving him 2 focus is nice but then you have to wait 6 turns to get 2 focus from it again. Someone suggested him getting 1 focus when hit and 2 for evading and I liked that as well. I think his s3 should be 4 turn CD. He definitely needs to s2 as soon as his bar fills up . I like the lifesteal idea. I still wish he had a built in counter like regular violet and he might not need any changes except for lifesteal. Also someone mentioned giving him provoke on s1, but it would be useful to taunt a random enemy when he evades, and leaving the blind on s1 because he needs it.

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    작성자 2020.06.30 22:02 (UTC+0)

    @STOVE89851406 


    That's interesting. From your comment it almost seems like there's a consensus forming among players who have tried Riolet that he needs better self sustain and easier to use S2 mechanic, even though the suggestions on how to improve it vary a bit.


    Getting extra focus from S3 is just so he also has some potential for shorter fights, in case players would like to build him as a glass cannon instead of a bruiser. With the life steal and 2 focus from S3, he'd have a much better chance at surviving at most 3 extra turns to do S3 again the first time. I just wish his S2 wouldn't be potentially wasted quite so often tbh.


    Lets hope SmileGate hears us at some point then.

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    OFFICIALAerin
    2020.07.01 00:11 (UTC+0)

    Hello Heir!


    We appreciate users expressing their ideas and suggestions. We will forward your suggestions to the developers. 

    We believe it is important for users to express the things they like and the things they don't like so the developers can mold the game to users' desires. These sound like very interesting ideas and I will be sure to forward them to the developers for their consideration.


    I wish you the best of luck in all your future adventures!


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    2020.07.01 00:13 (UTC+0)

    He’s a cool character and it feels like he’s not in the fight most of the time. I prefer Mirsa at the moment and she’s more useful more frequently. I’m not even scared to attack him on enemy teams and just take him out quickly. I noticed in some YouTube vids Kayron always crits him with dreamblade on, just something I noticed.

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    2020.07.01 01:55 (UTC+0)

    You're completely right. The sad thing is I think he's too weak to be useful in any competitive content but strong enough to be ignored by the balance team.

    I was lucky enough to pull him but I don't think hes worth the full investment at the moment. The main issue with him is that he gets ignored until focused and when focused, even if he dodges all attacks, hes squishy enough where he dies anyway never gaining the five focus. I would like to see his passive negate all damage from misses.

    Glad a community manager seen your post though. There's hope.

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    2020.07.01 12:53 (UTC+0)

    I would agree with the 1st suggestion with the main reason being survivability and a bit squishy. Only if the life steal apply to S1 only and not the S2 focus attack Massacre. I wouldn't want him to be too OP after the buff and then they decided to nerf him  

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    2020.07.01 14:59 (UTC+0)

    This is a great post. It's very detailed and well-reasoned. It also reflects my experience with Remnant Violet and what I've seen on high-level accounts. 


    I would stress the need for some way to build focus more quickly. Otherwise it is too easy to ignore him. For the same reason, I also think the extra attack should trigger whenever focus is full, not exclusively after R. Violet evades.

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    2020.07.02 21:15 (UTC+0)

    "strong enough for the proposed role " I keep forgetting what A.Ravi's was, the devs said she was a come-back unit, but she had the weakest revive with hard to meet conditions, it's hardly the same has Riolet situation, but I do agree that getting to 5 focus and having to sit there waiting for him to get hit is pretty lame.

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    작성자 2020.07.02 21:53 (UTC+0)

    @DudeWat 

    Regarding the comparison to A.Ravi's initial state, I was thinking more on the lines of both of them being "strong enough for the proposed role BUT needing high gear/mola/external support in order to work".


    As long as you had some insane gear to build her as a high HP, SPD and Crit/CDMG bruiser (which was much harder due to unstable Crit passive and no i90 gear) she could already perform the role of a frigging wall that could resurrect fallen allies for a clutch last minute match save. 


    Stove forum was a mess with popular comments on both ends: asking for A.Ravi buffs and telling people off with the usual "git gud gear before posting shit" answers.


    A.Ravi had no real competition in the Bruiser+comeback department though, there's where release-state Fidica comes into play by facing many already existing buff dispelling + CR push openers.


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