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Charlotte remake is disappointing and a nerf [22]

- harder to get the attack buff


- the damage output is much lower because if one drops crit chance her s1 won't deal that much


- also her s3 dmg will be reduced by 34%


- no change mentioned regarding her extremly low speed (or any other stat)


These will significantly decrease her value in pve while still leaving her useless in pvp because of the ice meta.


All she needed was literally just +10 speed or more proc chance for her stun on s2 and everybody would have been happy.


This "remake" is more like a nerf.



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    2020.02.07 20:54 (UTC+0)

    BESTMaybe some have never used Charlotte or didn't read the new changes, but I will break it down for you.  


    1. She currently does not lose Focus, unless she dies and is revived. . After the change, she consumes 100 Fighting Spirit after using S3. There will now be a longer build up if you don't Soul Burn it, since she loses all Fighting Spirit.

    2.The S3 will do much less damage than it does now.

    3. Since she will almost always have a buff, her S1 will be AOE, so any time she uses it, there is a chance to land a debuff. Currently you can use her S1 as long as the enemy is above 50% and not worry about the debuff landing.

    4. Defense down is much better than attack down.

    5.S1 being AOE will leave her more vulnerable to counter attacks and make it so you can't use S1 on a single target to avoid hitting a sleeping enemy.


    Charlotte doesn't need to use her S1 often against the Queen or JC, but it's nice to be able to before they get below 50%. All this change does for me is lose 34.4% dmg.

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    2020.02.09 22:26 (UTC+0)

    BESTLet's say Charlotte only did 10k damage with her S3. After enhancing her S3 to +5, that does 15K with the 50% bonus damage. After the change, that 10K would become 6560 damage. The bonus after change with Molagora is only 40%, so she will do 9184. She will be doing less damage with her S3 with +5, than she currently does with no Molagora investment.


    I really hope they cancel this change.  Losing out on so much damage, defense break, stun and the ability to use S3 quickly again after not doing Soulburn is too much to just gain a defense buff when hit.

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    작성자 2020.02.07 20:09 (UTC+0)

    BESTAnd I feel like you didn't actually use her because if that were the case you would know that what you are talking about is already part of her kit, it's just that it's not enough and outdated.

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    2020.02.07 16:27 (UTC+0)

    idk. imo she become an ideal meat tank. I prob gonna give her crit/counter set.

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    2020.02.07 16:53 (UTC+0)

    i just want the devs to change her art imo, don’t like her big forehead and her hair :/

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    2020.02.07 16:55 (UTC+0)

    "harder to get the attack buff"

    She can stay buffed 24/7 from being attacked.


    "the damage output is much lower because if one drops crit chance her s1 won't deal that much "

    If you build her as dps you can't really ignore this stat. However, you'll never be screwed over by 5 or even 1% not to stun(99% crit chance basically).

    Yuna received the same buff on s3.


    "also her s3 dmg will be reduced by 34% "

    I've always been saying the dmg this skill does is crazy if you look at her numbers with only 3 turn cd. No one cared to build her for that so why complain now? She gained debuff and can now s3 2 times in a row if she has 100 FS.


    "no change mentioned regarding her extremly low speed (or any other stat) "

    You clearly don't know what determines a unit's stats. 



    Charlotte has been backclashed by the playerbase for a long time that didn't even ask for buff but straight rework so that's what SG is giving us. You may be right about pve&pvp but let's wait for the results for now.


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    2020.02.07 17:44 (UTC+0)

    This rework is a nerf, and it's going to make me need to change up my teams for raids. She is now going to do around 65.6% of the damage she does now, and is going to start applying a debuff from her S1.  So not only will her main role of doing damage with S3 be greatly reduced, but she will make the fights with the Queen and Juleeve Council harder with the addition of the attack debuff on S1, plus other fights will become harder if you are trying to avoid hitting an enemy for crowd control or to avoid counter attacks.


    I really hope we get the option to recall Charlotte after this nerf.



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    2020.02.07 17:52 (UTC+0)

    You didn't understood anything op. 

    Charlotte changes from being built from crit rate crit DMG and attack into HP defend and crit DMG. Think of her as a fire moustache man.

    She no longer requites crit rate as her s3 crits every time as long as you are not atk reduced.

    This is a good change as her being a fire guardian did not match with building her with cr cd.

    You now build her CD HP hp just like Charles. When she gets hit her focus increases which activates her s3 that crits the enemy team. 

    Sure maybe she's nerfed for the ppl who used her in raids but she's good now for PvP. Tanky and nukey.

    Charles charlotte combo for counter imagine that.

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    2020.02.07 19:40 (UTC+0)

    So honest question: Have you actually read the changes at all? She gets an attack and defense buff whenever she gets attacked. Slap her in the leader spot and she should have that buff damn near all the time. Her new S1 can also be enhanced to do more damage which means she wont need crit for it any more, in addition to being nearly always an AoE because of her self-buffs. Her combat readiness increase on S1 also offsets her slow speed, especially if she's also running a Ritual Sword or a counterattack set.


    And don't even get me started on the new Vortex. It has zero cool down, and can be used as soon as Charlotte has enough Fighting Spirit, which she obtains by dealing and taking damage. She'll be able to use it nearly twice as often without a Soulburn, completely invalidating your claim that it'll do 34% reduced damage. And if you Soulburn it, she'll be able to use it nearly three times as often-- because again, its not limited by a CD any more. I feel like you didn't actually read.

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    2020.02.07 20:54 (UTC+0)

    Maybe some have never used Charlotte or didn't read the new changes, but I will break it down for you.  


    1. She currently does not lose Focus, unless she dies and is revived. . After the change, she consumes 100 Fighting Spirit after using S3. There will now be a longer build up if you don't Soul Burn it, since she loses all Fighting Spirit.

    2.The S3 will do much less damage than it does now.

    3. Since she will almost always have a buff, her S1 will be AOE, so any time she uses it, there is a chance to land a debuff. Currently you can use her S1 as long as the enemy is above 50% and not worry about the debuff landing.

    4. Defense down is much better than attack down.

    5.S1 being AOE will leave her more vulnerable to counter attacks and make it so you can't use S1 on a single target to avoid hitting a sleeping enemy.


    Charlotte doesn't need to use her S1 often against the Queen or JC, but it's nice to be able to before they get below 50%. All this change does for me is lose 34.4% dmg.

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    2020.02.07 22:32 (UTC+0)

    Hopefully they'll give us a recall to get our molas back. Question is, now who am I gonna use in my main raid team?

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    2020.02.08 00:55 (UTC+0)

    I think if you have Charle's 5* artifact then you're going to be okay with the reworked Charlotte. Let's see if there will be more changes on her since it's not yet released.

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    2020.02.08 03:13 (UTC+0)

    She is *** tier PVE man. 

    Charlotte + immune set + Life steal Set + AF Charles  =  Ultimate AOE farmer.  She can deal AOE dmg and fully heal every turn.

    And because of this mean she get 20% spd from S1 rework.  For atk buff, her S1 has only 50% chance not 100% same as put her in front position and waiting to be attacked.  You can still use other unit give atk buff for her.


    Her lower 34% is from max focus with *2 dmg.  So S3 dmg should be 1.3 and it's still very high for aoe dmg.  But it should be *1.5 because she can't use S3 in 1st turn.


    Still not sure for PVP but she will be insane in PVE and I really want to build her because of this rework. She is like (Ravi + Kayron) / 2.

    Dev need to add Recall after rework.  So players who don't like this new change can recall her.


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    2020.02.08 06:31 (UTC+0)

    Different person different perspective

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    2020.02.09 22:26 (UTC+0)

    Let's say Charlotte only did 10k damage with her S3. After enhancing her S3 to +5, that does 15K with the 50% bonus damage. After the change, that 10K would become 6560 damage. The bonus after change with Molagora is only 40%, so she will do 9184. She will be doing less damage with her S3 with +5, than she currently does with no Molagora investment.


    I really hope they cancel this change.  Losing out on so much damage, defense break, stun and the ability to use S3 quickly again after not doing Soulburn is too much to just gain a defense buff when hit.

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