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As a new/mid player i think Dizzy is Broken [13]

Her s3 can debuff atk reduce, spd reduce, blind (hit reduce) with 100% debuff rate even at element disadvantage (miss atk) that mean 100% debuff rate for all enemy for 2 turn and only 5 turn cd that mean only wait 3 turn to cast debuff again not to mention she can extra turn from soul burn plus her s2 give 1 more debuff turn and -50% cr that mean 2 turn to cast her s3 again her s2 also extend debuff from other allies like posion, burn, silence, bleed this thing will make easy to beat every endgame pve content (include auto mode in every boss hunt 11), if you dont belive just check statistic Abyss on every floor it always Dizzy and Dizzy, you can also check on youtube every content most of them is using Dizzy. I know there are Player that can beat endgame content and auto in hunt 11 with only using epic 7 heroes, but they using good enchance sub stat gear, Unlikey Dizzy just use Ring main EV + 15 and boot main Speed + 15 this is basic broken build on Dizzy, there are a lot more broken build on her like Counter set, Artifact that can remove immunity, reduce cd of her skill, CR for more speed for s3, Stun lock, Set up the field for Cleave team, lifesteal build also not bad all because all her skill aoe and still deal decent dmg. I know there are 15% resist that cannot be reduce on enemy, but look at her s3 she can debuff atk reduce, spd reduce, blind, One of these is very huge give impact on enemy, if she fail cast debuff atk reduce then just relax she have 2 more debuff and one of them is enough to turn the table. For those who saying "just use dispel like Montmo, use immunity, use resist, just use Destina, Achates, Potion vial" you guys realise right that gear is hard to get on early/ mid game and less usefull on pvp content, and for Montmo her s2 can only remove 1 debuff or chose to s3 on your dps and then die slowly cause your allies cant help with debuff spd on them. Since this game dont have hero and artifact selector it very hard counter Dizzy with skill dispel all debuff, well that just pvp issues, a wise man once said pvp content is for hardcore and endgame player.

Let be honest guys, i know deep inside your heart that Dizzy is fcking broken, but for some reason you dont want she get nerf, maybe because she is limited summon and can be acquire to anyone by hardworking for resisting temptation for gacha, unlikely ml nat 5* unit it can only get from lucky.


The purpose of this post is for nerfing Dizzy, but i think it too late already since most of Dizzy owner already beat endgame content and Challenger rank in Arena, so my suggest is create nolimited hero that similar like Dizzy, unit Mage with skill that can extend debuff or maybe can cast many debuff as well.




(meme inspired by u/Incru)

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    2019.09.03 05:32 (UTC+0)

    BESTI understand your frustration, but I still say no. Achates is not hard to get and it doesn't matter her gear, so long as she survives, all the debuffs are gone in one move (plus effect resistance is easy enough to get and so is wondrous potion vial). Second, the devs already know how Dizzy has changed the meta and characters like Vivian are probably going to be more common, Vivian is literally built as a Dizzy counter. Yes, she is 5*, but soon enough there'll probably be something else that does a similar job (just like Achates is basically a less tanky, faster Destina). It's not a matter of making a Dizzy-like unit or nerfing Dizzy, it's more an issue of not creating counters, but, again, the devs seem to already realize this. Also, literally either Baal&Sezan have the ability to cast many debuffs at once (speed, unhealable, def break for regular, +whatever sira-ren decides). Yes, Baal&Sezan is inferior, but they can provide a similar skill and at least they have def break!

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    2019.09.03 05:32 (UTC+0)

    I understand your frustration, but I still say no. Achates is not hard to get and it doesn't matter her gear, so long as she survives, all the debuffs are gone in one move (plus effect resistance is easy enough to get and so is wondrous potion vial). Second, the devs already know how Dizzy has changed the meta and characters like Vivian are probably going to be more common, Vivian is literally built as a Dizzy counter. Yes, she is 5*, but soon enough there'll probably be something else that does a similar job (just like Achates is basically a less tanky, faster Destina). It's not a matter of making a Dizzy-like unit or nerfing Dizzy, it's more an issue of not creating counters, but, again, the devs seem to already realize this. Also, literally either Baal&Sezan have the ability to cast many debuffs at once (speed, unhealable, def break for regular, +whatever sira-ren decides). Yes, Baal&Sezan is inferior, but they can provide a similar skill and at least they have def break!

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    2019.09.03 06:32 (UTC+0)

    Dizzy is fine. She is easy to deal with. There are immunity sets and speed sets, as well as units that can dispel debuffs and grant immunity. 

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    2019.09.03 06:41 (UTC+0)

    Debuff removal is more value in endgame, i'm surprise that you said that Dizzy can beat every endgame bosses cause bosses that punish you for debuff them are everywhere(even more in the future) and they also heavily debuff your team too! it make not just dizzy but all debuff type heroes suffer


    So my advice that you should build an debuff cleanse hero or an immul hero that faster than Dizzy( Vivian for example)

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    2019.09.03 06:48 (UTC+0)

    Will start by saying that she is a good character dont think anyone could or would disagree on that, But...


    Immunity set you can get super easy, that will atleast protect you from her first debuff hit, if you are slower. There is also characters that give you immunity and that can cleanse, what im trying to say that there is options that isnt hard to get, but some that ofcourse are in the way that it boils down to luck ( like a certain character ) 


    I think 9/10 times people have a way to counter her but dont wanna put the time and effort into making it, i mean i was there myself, i didt wanna spend a single molagora on a character that i didt want, and guess what most of them was characters to counter Dizzy hehe, but after Vivian i got myself one i wanted to use and now Dizzy teams are what i go after ^^

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    2019.09.03 07:15 (UTC+0)

    in arena, Since i have baiken and my A-Lots are usually faster and , I only target team with Dizzy and SSBellona. i got punished by faster roozid team though

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    2019.09.03 07:18 (UTC+0)

    true we need another return on dizzy banner i started abit too late and ppl are like "use dizzy" on almost every obstacle i run into
    she is truly an insane unit for pve content no one cant argue with that
    for pvp of course dizzy is unfair if your unit are under leveled than those who had your so-called "broken" dizzy
    arena is quite hard nowadays so as newer player we better get better on pve content first before coming to pvp section
    come back again dizzy i need you! lol


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    2019.09.03 14:42 (UTC+0)

    Cmon, Vivian just came out, and she's speedy pvp-viable whole-team 3-turn immunity buffer. And she isn't even limited. And If you only just started, meaning you missed GG collab and Diene limited just go and play Europe server, it started after these events took place so no Dizzy, no Diene and such.

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    2019.09.03 16:32 (UTC+0)

    He said as new/mid player and that's understandable. Dizzy will be easily counterable once you pass mid honestly

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    2019.09.03 22:33 (UTC+0)

    New players should have at least 1 hero that can remove debuffs like montmorancy which is a 3* 

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    작성자 2019.09.04 01:19 (UTC+0)

    @Jaeden @STOVE83938898 @dfolk @STOVE84143515 @Redoremi29 @TerraVerde @pcloid @Yezky @STOVE83537109 

    i think you guys miss my point, i know there a lot way to counter Dizzy in arena, but in pve content She is just too broken, i know there a alot boss that have immunity, dispel and permanent immunity, but its a AI you can alway outsmart them with her amazing debuff skill with low  cd skill and high speed unit,  ofc you can also outsmart them with other hero, but with Dizzy on your side it just make one sided battle for enemy or maybe playing E7 in easy mode. Well this is just my opinion since i dont use Dizzy, but using similir debuff like atk reduce, cr reduce (Cecilia, Coli, Angelica, Lots is my main team). Just imaging had unit that can extend debuff on atk reduce, def break + cr reduce with high speed.. my life must be easier :)

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    2019.09.04 12:53 (UTC+0)

    @STOVE124774764


    Okay! first you mention permanent immunity and dispel but you said she still can debuff them..... please go fight with those  first then come back cause you clearly don't know how those boss work!  


    2.nd when you just exclude this to pve then just don't use Dizzy if you feel that use her will make the game too easy! the reason that we balance pvp is because it effect other players! in pve no one care how another play cause it effect no ones 

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    2019.09.05 17:14 (UTC+0)

    Dizzy is a unique and people do use her for her OP debuff, but nerfing is never the answer, instead you can devalue an existing character by creating new characters to counter her. Such as mentioned Vivian as well as SS Bellona (dizzy almost always trigger her counter due to Dizzy's AoE). Not only that, there are bosses that counter to AoE attacks and some mechanics require you to let some monsters live other than the boss., I think DEVS are taking the right approach. 


    i sometimes believe dizzy is making my team weak offensively due to my dependance on her.

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    2019.09.25 08:29 (UTC+0)

    @Jeaden you should read my post first then my comment, there are boss that doesnt to debuff like boss sez, boss ludwing, And i dont have Dizzy that why i not using them but seeing player easlly beat end game like hunt 11 or abyss 80-90 is really impact on pvp, why ? because easy farm gear or giving income from abyss purify

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