The Problem of Fenris EE
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The Problem of Fenris EE [4]

Heya everyone, i can't believe i making this post but anyway. I see post here about Fenris EE and i disagreed about it. So let's go to the point.

Topic 1: Counter Harset and SG

Ok guys here we go again. We all know harset is annoying to play with and against it. But this is the problem of how SG design her kit, when they decided create one character to be the balance of old players with a lot of speed gear and new players with few speed gear, so they the opportunity of Harset is the boss and make her this "balance".

But they create another problem who take all the skill of rta/arena and turn the game of who is the lucky player.

You want counter harset? Good, we have in game. The first try of SG trying fix the problem called harset is Y.Senya, but people start use Y.Senya in harset team because of this we need use character like Elvira. Zio is another one, but not everyone have Zio because he is ml5 or Y.Senya who is limited. This looks like Fenris good to have EE to counter Harset, no ml5 or limited. But you know one character can counter harset? Elena, yes Blue Elena can counter harset about her two debuff, is not the best counter but she is not limited or ml5 like Zio and Y.Senya.

Topic 2: Specific Counter vs mechanic counter

We going to talk about this, i see some people in YouTube say this "We fine about Schniel, but not to EE". I talk this now, we all know Schniel was created to counter DDR, but SG don't say directly "If DDR is one enemy team", no this time they are smart and leave between the lines. Schniel is counter DDR, i see people when Schniel are in play DDR just s1 until Schniel die. You noticed the problem here? Schniel is doing nothing on board while DDR s1, the same thing will happen Fenris. What Fenris is doing after Harset die? Nothing, he is a glass cannon who die easy. This is the problem, we don't want another stare contest of 2 death unit. Also Schniel can be used against sharun (no one use her), Banshee and future poison units. "But my Fenris deal a lot of damage to kill the enemy team", you know what deal a lot of damage? Three unit of opponent side and they will kill you Fenris before he kill someone. The only good reason to play fenris here is he is ml Senya 2.0.

Topic 3: We can't leave this EE pass

Here where i want to talk about and my main problem with this EE. Ok, we leave this pass and what happen now? Harset is gone? Hell no, people will use Elvira to counter Fenris (Lore!!!). Harset will decline a little i guess, gw nothing, rta still the same because harset is the most hated unit. My main problem is if this pass can create a future trend on epic, just imagine SG make another Harset mistake unit and broke the again (i can believe this happen), SG can just make another unit or EE to especially counter to make money. Look at Y.Senya, she was created to counter harset, but can work with her and others EoA unit like A.Yufine.

By not letting this EE pass i want SG i take this note of we don't want one unit who is to counter a especially unit to make you gain money. Make the problem and sell the solution, i see that SG and we don't allow this. If you making something like this, make like Schniel and Y.Senya, who can be used in multiple occasion or future proof, not one anti meta unit.

Topic 4: Possible Solution of Harset

We all know Harset is a problem and how we fix it. Like i say before, Harset have counters, she is only annoying to deal because of rng speed she is. Just take of the rng speed of Harset and we all happy about. I see one stream of TristenWulf and the chat was talk about Summoner War, i don't know if is true, but looks like there have one "harset" unit but he is fine because he don't have rng speed. So i like to know more about it in comments.


Topic 5: Ending

Well that it for me guys, i hope you guys like the post. Like this post if you agreed with me and comment your ideas if you want add something or disagreed with me. Just be respectful to each other and until the next time.

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Only the people Who hate Harsseti id the ppl Who has 320+ speed


Random turn order is the core of Harsetti.

It's like highlander decks in Hearthstone, every card/hero of your team should be able to work alone by itself.

You can remove her always going first, AoE attacks and debuffs but not random turn order. That's who she is.


Fenris EE is on a viable direction, but not polarized enough. If it can have a 90% WR against Harsetti teams, and having 10% WR against non-Harsetti teams, could basically wipe out Harsetti completely from Arena and GW defense which everybody will be happy to see, and give her a hard time in RTA.

There is no point to all this.. IF! they want they can easily fix everything by removing the part that reads "Harsetti" in the ee description and replace it with "dark element unit" like LQC's s3 and everything's solved Fenris gets a nice buff and everybody's happy. 

Let me ask all y'all something.. do you really think that if they released it as i suggest that there would be so much drama? I don't think so.. probably would have flied under most people's radar cause nobody gave a dime about Fenris.. then after a week or so some may complain but let's be real what triggered this reaction is the fact that they addressed her by name and not that it would affect her 'cause she has that nerf coming for a long time now.

Everyone know this is the best choice but what countered it is "no nerf policy". With EE cancelled, now players have to "RNG" wait to see : will she get nerf? new hero to counter? or nothing happen.

I still not sure remove RNG speed is enough or be worse because Harsetti's team can also arranged her combo as well. The one who know Harsett's speed is easier to set combo so, she still take advantage.

As speed player myself, RGB hero like Fenris's EE is need (I mean something similar). We need more choice, not just Zio+Freda or Zio+AS Flan. An RGB hero with ability to go before Harsetti, ally CR increase and do this job alone (not 2 slots like Zio). Y.Senya is more on bruiser vs bruiser, not for speed. Without more choice, speed player still have to prebanned Harsetti no matter what even without RNG turn order because it's very risky to let her S3 first.

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