some chaos runs feels scripted
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some chaos runs feels scripted [5]

I start to notice some chaos runs have "weird" things, today in swamp tier 14 nightmare some combatants dont gain card epiphanys , i let the boss kill me so i can restart the same chaos without losing it and for 3 times in a row dont give card epiphanys, sometimes dont have even in 3 and 4 cards...in the same combatant!!! no matter path choose.

Never happen to me before and was only that swamp chaos.... the rest can get epiphanys allways, so definetly theres something wrong with it.

I also notice kowalski card, heal orlea, rei condensation and some others usually appear nearly or directly at final boss....this make me suspect that everything is predetermined since run start and doesnt really matter what path or choices u take.

I dont know... i feel scammed right now.

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No, im not provoking the sistem by choices, have hundreds of high level chaos runs done, that epiphany thing never happen to me u can have one without, but not 3 and even 4 (in the same combatant) in three consecutive runs, i remerged that chaos and the problem was instantly solved, was that swamp chaos and nothing more. 

One correction to Llulu, epiphany arent check at shuffle, and instead at combat start, you can check If theres any epiphany cards by looking at your deck in battle ( itll be with the epi. shine ) and opening It to check the cards that'll spark

Another example of “provoking” this system.  Are you going for all events and easy battles and never doing any elite battles?  Those battles last longer and epiphany chances seem to me to be checked on deck shuffle.  If you punk everything on round 1, try doing more elite fights with higher hp enemies.

Similarly, it is probably expected for you to take some # of epiphanies yourself from events.  Do you always choose gear?


Lab 0 is a zone many players themselves are responsible for ”scripting” because they think it is “solved” from having played it a lot.  My suspicion is that you are doing this and that your “solution” is wrong, and that you are actually causing some portion of this problem to yourself by avoiding elites, resting to delete cards, choosing deletions and gear over epiphanies during events, and so on.


I’ll give you an example of something I do that helps.  I never take the fixer evade badge from him passively.  I beat him up for it.  Doing so gives epiphany chances.

I would say from my point of view, you are partially right and partially wrong.


When most people think “random”, they think of a very specific type: IID randomness.  Independently and identically distributed.  That’s the “usual” randomness you come to expect from dice rolls, coin flips, drawing cards, etc.

However there are lots of important randomized processes that depend on other types of randomness.  Those are called “stochastic” processes.  This game is definitely that.


For instance, I have never, ever seen Heart of the Ore on floor 1 of Lab 0, and I have never acquired the evade accessory from the Peltion fixer event on floor 2 if I didn’t find it on floor one.  You also seem to have to get some number of common events early before you can start seeing rare ones.  Those are just anecdotal examples of things that have some randomness involved but aren’t completely random.


It’s possible you are provoking this system w your choices.  Are you resting too much and not battling?

Depending on the point of view, isnt everything in-game scripted somehow ? there must be something determining How things go, no ? In 20 runs, for example, it's not unusual to observe similarities; it WILL happen;


anyways, i get you tho, what i didnt get is: supposing it is scripted ( and it prob have an occult seed number or smthing, look at Balatro for example ), where's the scam ?

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