Narja and update [23]
Greetings,
so I pulled for Narja despite her being ranked as a 3rd grade character on pro sites cos I thought can't be THAT bad, its a new limited banner, surely they only misunderstood her powers or didn't find the synergy yet. But nope, almost 190 pulls down the drain (missed the 50/50 and then got her partner). She is pretty useless for endgame content due to lack of draw and clogging draw from other character with random cards that are useful, but not on their own and stops your draw chain. My bad I guess. But why do you release useless support? I mean so much worse than already existing supports? Can't you buff her or something?
the one button skip animations/conversations. Ehm somehow you made it worse. It now takes LONGER to get thru the animations and requires more clicks. Whoever designed it and removed the - hold here to superspeed- button should be fired
neutral cards are pretty cool idea, offers diversity and customization, but in reality I never take them. Not only they are super expensive memory wise (20, 30 with epiphany, 40 with divine), they often steal your divine epiphany or replication which is infuriating. When I checked tens of other players decks in the leaderboard during the last event, nobody is using neutral cards. Or if they do, they use max of one. And monster cards? 80 points and they are not even that good? most of them are worse than character cards. like what? you should consider re design and rebalance of the whole memory system
you already removed the lag issue which I had after release of the last patch so kudos on that, you fix your mistakes fast
apart from these, the game is great and I have so much fun with it, keep up the good work
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Have to disagree with Narja,
Narja is already better than Mika in many aspects.
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Neutral card, yes, many of them are underperforming. And they steal opportunities for epiphanies/duplication.
The roundabout many players do is focusing on savedata character.
For example:
Rin
Rei
Mika
You want to create good savedata for Rei.
What player do here is, delete non-basic cards & non-unique for Rin and Mika as much as they could do in exterior of chaos (To reduce chance of dupe of unwanted cards).
Then in the interior, focus on thinning Rei's deck (mostly basic card). In the whole process, NEVER BUY NEUTRAL CARD for Rin or Mika. Only buy for Rei IF HER SAVEDATA NEEDS IT.
The bad: the chaos run is no longer fun, because you are sacrificing lots of fun gameplay for the sake of savedata, and even with all the pain, you still reset a lot because of RNG dupe and epiphanies.
The Good: devs are aware of anti-fun issue.
Regarding neutral cards, I agree that they're not all created equal, and currently have very little value for many outside of Chaos.
But they're not all useless either. I personally really like Self-Generating Experiment and Forced Learning Apparatus with Epiphany Moral 2 on them, as well as Gear Bags, etc., for speeding up deck setup.
But just as you find Narja useless, don't see all neutral cards solely for their uses outside of Chaos, and therefore in save data. Similarly, with the roadmap, we know there will be a Chaos Assault mode based on run completion and not on building save data, and in this kind of Chaos, some neutral cards could be particularly useful for dealing with specific situations not encountered in modes with constructed decks.
I can understand some players' feelings about Narja given the endgame content released so far. I mean, the Great Rift, which represents the highest level of endgame content we've had, was consistently a DPS race against single-target bosses, requiring almost no survivability (the previous final boss even completely prevented us from using healing spells), and therefore only highlighted the most powerful single-target DPS and characters with strong draw power.
Narja doesn't fit into any of these categories, but that doesn't mean she's useless as you say. Since the roadmap, we know there will be other types of endgame content that will require more than just single-target DPS and will also be based on survivability, and Narja, and potentially survival-oriented Vanguard/Controller characters in general, will become much more impactful in the endgame.
I find her very successful in her card kit, very versatile, she can fit into many compositions and is incredibly "chaos friendly".
Don't think of her solely as being based on Great Rift-type content, but rather as a very good, versatile support healer/damage buffer who will definitely find her place in upcoming content. You won't regret getting it, trust me.
MichelAngeshes already BiS support at tower
GlltyYes, I also think she has and will have a prominent place in the current tower and the complete one in the future; that's the kind of content I was thinking of in my message.
sure, she may be good, but not now and we don't know what they are planning. Voracity stacks are worse than Morale especially for top tier DPS I use like Sereniei, Cizuru and Tressa. They deplete all her stacks with just cople attacks mid turn. The healing which Voracity provide comes with a huge downside for prolonged fight or in the scenario you mention in future content, and that is no stress heal and "eats" the healing, meaning no stress heal on overhealing with other cards. She's like a hybrid between Mika and Rai, but worse than each and these are just 4* characters, she's supposed to be superior in every aspect. You can get draw 1 epiphany on her Bottomless Hunger which is strong combination, But you are limited by Voracity stacks to activate it and you are not getting them without much more draw cos consistent Voracity stack gain is only on like 2 of her cards. And yes, i based her rating on the great rift endgame cos thats the only reliable contest of characters we had so far
Liliandathe thing is: great rift is very geared towards a specific game plan, both that didnt favoured her or other DPS'es like Renoa, Haru, or even Luke; are they bad cause of that ? nah; first one everyone was obershadowed by Tressa/Cass/Mika; and second one was just Sereniel + Friends ( preferably Selena + Cass );
there was no reason to use defense-centric characters like Khalipe or Magna; And no, she doesn't only have two ways of generating voracity; her analysis is flawed in SEVERAL aspects, wich feels like skill issue honestly; i based that in other statements you made like "forbiden dont cost FMP", "Botomless Hunger depends on voracity", "She only have 2 cards to generate voracity consistently", "you cant test properly withouth her partner", etc...
maybe im wrong ? yep, so, let me ask you, how was your score on the Rift and wich deck are you using to test Narja ?
In the first place if you really need draw so much you can aim for Divine epi. Or forbidden card. They don't cost much only 20.
Right now she is perfectly fine considering she is non-limited, her power would be somewhere between Mika heal + Rei buff with Khalipe dmg.
After I got Narja, my Mika and Rei are retired ☠️ and my Khal is going crazy with multiple vulnerabilities stacking in her vultures + defense DMG steroids + voracity/predation; but of course Narja is low tier at Prydwen lmao
GlltyIdk why people have to shtpost every new character based on Prydwen opinion. In the first place those that are top ranked from previous leaderboard never use Prydwen.
And their other game : HSR, Re1999, Limbus. I've seen nobody that use their tier list manage to be top tier in ranked / score / turn clear.
They would at best be placed in upper mid tier. The fact they use Prydwen as Holy Bible.... 🙃
Vyan91idk, some ppl have f-tish on tier lists, thats the only explanation i can think off
tese cards don't cost any memory, I am surprised you didn't know that, when you are trying to act like a pro giving advice. Also anyone can get them, that won't fix Narja's cards and it can't be replicated.
LiliandaOMG.
Forbidden don't cost memory ??!
I see. Indeed the ideal target audience of Prydwen.
Also Narja card doesn't need any "fix", she is very versatile. Doesn't need anymore "buff".
If only you know there is Divine epi of Draw.
And did you know there is a way to replicate Forbidden card one time only ? 😊
Ah yes, another sheep who praised Prydwen as Holy Bible for Tier List 🤣
It's been a recurring joke for actual sweaty hardcore gamer that Prydwen tier list sucks. Their tier list only useful for newbie and casual who doesn't know how to play the game at first.
The sweaty one goes to Bilibili for tierlist.
Now, have you ever heard of "Overloaded kit" ?
Narja can be built multiple ways unlike other support which usually goes for draw, heal, or buff.
She got Voracity & Predation aka. temporary morale, Multi hit atk card (good for Chizuru stacking or boss with thirst), 0 card multi shield (best shield gain in the game rn, also good for Amir), able to double tenacity dmg for the whole team (useful for everyone notably sereniel & selena), stacking AoE dmg with tons of heal and buff with practically 0 cost (useful to clear last phase or just heal for 500 HP).
If they add draw into her kit, this would just make her a hybrid Mika + Rei + Cassius. And we know how Cassius fate would be 😅
well... lets go...
Tier lists for "chaos" are pretty useless, since you'll eventually take all your characters to farm decks anyway, and late-game content can be completed with any character;
Secondly, Narja has barely been released, it's very presumptuous of some websites to already want to say where she fits in or not;
Regarding stopping her stream of draws... it's not her job to draw cards, is it? You can do the same thing as with Mika, draw 1 divine epiphany into a 0-cost spell; but the best thing to do is to get someone elso to complete this task, like Verônica or Cassius
idk why you pulled for Gaya withouth testing Narja tho, dont personally recomend you do that
edit: this skip button is slower by itself but you can touch the screen while its active, wich end up making it actually faster than before
yeah surely the biggest website for all gacha games don't have enough experience to rate characters. What was I thinking.
all supports need to have some sort of draw and they all do have it, except Narja. IT IS her job as a support role to draw
how do you properly test a character without their designed partner? you can't
I play on PC (the requires clicks kinda gave it up, you missed it), touching screen does nothing (who would have thought)
LiliandaI didn't say they lack experience, they certainly do have; I said the character has barely been introduced and that it makes sense to have misconceptions about it..
No, not all supports are focused on draws, as far as I know, Mika and Orlea don't have a single epiphany dedicated to drawing; Narja's initial role is to provide sustain and damage support.
Characters and partners are two separate things, each with their own strengths and weaknesses; however, partners are generally more tailored to their cast characters. In Narja's case, she plays really well with Alyssa, Using that argument is the same as saying: "How can I properly test a character without having ME6?".
That last argument of yours refuted me tho