CZN's Gacha System Isn't Your Typical 5050 system? [11]
I just realized...
[5★ Units]
ㆍ The base probability of getting a 5★ unit is 1%, and the total probability (including pity) of getting a 5★ unit is 2.14343%.
ㆍ For rescues 1st – 57th, the base probabilities apply. Starting with the 58th rescue, the probability of obtaining a 5★ unit increases by 4.5% with each attempt until the 69th. On the 70th rescue, a 5★ unit is guaranteed, and there is a 50% chance for it to be the 5★ rate-up target.
ㆍ If the rate-up target does not appear on the 70th rescue, the base probabilities will be applied again from the 71st to the 127th rescues.
Starting with the 128th rescue, the probability of obtaining a 5★ unit increases by 4.5% with each attempt until the 139th.
On the 140th rescue, the 5★ rate-up target unit is guaranteed.
ㆍ Upon obtaining the 5★ rate-up Unit, the rescue count is reset.
ㆍ The probability of obtaining the 5★ rate-up target (including pity) is 1.42895%.
(https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11412673?boardKey=141890&combined=false)
Notice that:
1. It says at the start of 128th rescue the probability that is increased is of obtaining a 5★ unit? Not 5★ rate-up target.
2. There's no saying that the next obtained 5★ target after the rate up target not appearing is a 5★ rate up-target?
Apparently, they only said that the rate-up target is specifically guaranteed at 140 pulls. They never said that you're guaranteed to get the rate up combatant as the next 5★ that you'd get after failing getting one.
Meaning you're only guaranteed exactly once you've reach 140 pulls. So, anything before that, does not guarantee you. 1-69th pulls and 71-128th pulls have the same probability? CMIIW.
Take a look at ZZZ:
In ZZZ, they did say that if we didn't get the limited S-Rank agent, then the next S-Rank agent is guaranteed to be the limited one...
I notice atleast most of the Youtube CC says CZN's pity is your typical hoyo games... Which it does make sense if they based it off the old probability guide...
What do you guys think?
Have any of you experienced getting standard 5★ character 2x in a row in a limited/rate up banner? Is CZN's gacha system actually worse than we've thought? Or is this just wording issue?
I've always thought people were complaining for losing a first 5050 cuz no one have said that they lost 5050 twice.
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Yeaa I also got multiple 5 star on that, I think the rate on that banner is higher.
And yes I do agree that they're quite generous... Atleast for now.
We don't know wether they'd be consistent or not of this, cuz the current generousities might just came from the whole drama they had like with AI & staff bullying. I just hope they can be consistent with it
It's just a wording.
The effect is not affected.
50-50, if lose then guaranteed.
They really need to hire a new translator... Or which ever staff handle these.
Seeing a lot of people complaining making me thinking the 5050 in here really is different.. Turns out they simply failed their 5050 and my whole assumptions is incorrect because of once again their wording issue.
Afaik the next unit after losing the 50-50 is guaranteed to be the rate-up target and it's classical hoyo-50-50, just with better rates and the company gives us more pulls than in other games.
Check out the screenshots here: https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11419259
But yea if it worked that way, that would be funny as well, as getting into pity and losing your 50/50s as many times in a row as possible would be something you'd want to happen.
No..
In hoyo, it explicitly says that your next S-rank agent is guaranteed to be the rated up character. There's no this kind of saying in CZN.
Unless again this is their wording issue
Which screenshots btw? And what about it?
BweetThe banner changes to specifically say it guarantees Chizuru in the next X pulls. That would be very confusing to get other 5 stars if it states this.
If your interpretation was correct, don't you think we would see a lot of screenshots about this already? The chances would be 50% to lose the first 50-50 and then another 50% to lose the second one, making it a 25% chance to lose two in a row. So if 25% of people run into this, we would see a lot more screenshots, right?
And as you stated, it your interpretation was correct, then they would have adapted it compared to how they did it before (old guide), I think that's also something we'd know, right?
So I would consider it unlikely and just think their localisationteam could do better.
Rinkanoyeah next X pulls is guaranteed to be a specific character, not next 5 star is guaranteed to be a specific character. That's the different between ZZZ's and CZN's wording, which is a huge difference if we want to be specific. CZN's team are just so bad with their translate/wording.
Seeing some of their art use literal AI, and they didn't even want to admit it (saying that It's only for reference), I wouldn't be suprised they also use AI for this. I'm just too fed up with these translation issues. It's a mess, a game with so much potential but tend to feel cheap thanks to the bug, typos, and translations (like how can you miss someone's gender several time??? come on even elementary kids knows the different)
Bweettotally agree with you, and it wouldn't be so bad, if they had someone here that actually went through our posts in the forum and changed those issues. But atm they really don't seem to realize how bad the translation is and how this impacts the experience for all the protos that play in the english language, and those aren't few.
The gatcha rates are fantastic, I've gotten 4 in a row.
The unique pRt is the characters are trash.
If what I assumed of being able to get many 5 star before 140th pull is right then that does sound really good. Getting bad ones just your luck tho lol
While it does looks bad at first, I start to realize that this would also mean during 71st to 140th we legitimately can get more than 1 5★ characters which is really good.
Example:
121st pull = Khalipe
137th pull = Kayron
140th pull = Chizuru
There's no saying that the probability chance reset each time we get a 5★ character right on the 71st to 140th? It says that we go back to the probability base specifically after we get the rate up 5★ character.
Unless of course, this is again a wording issue (this would make the most sense honestly 😔)
CMIIW tho